tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post5836751479270835764..comments2023-10-20T07:14:40.841-03:00Comments on Ecumenicity: Eucharist, Episcopal Authority, RelicsTom B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08014927666068877364noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-60862791378792003912008-08-03T05:42:00.000-03:002008-08-03T05:42:00.000-03:00Thos,Another passage that implicitly shows that Ig...Thos,<BR/>Another passage that implicitly shows that Ignatius was asking for something biblical in urging submission to the bishops is found in I Corinthians 1:10, where Paul says:<BR/><BR/>I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.<BR/><BR/>I must confess that until I gave Catholicism a chance I could not see any hope for Christians fulfilling Paul's appeal. With a principium unitatis, this ideal can be realized, albeit only to the extent that we imperfect, flawed humans can.<BR/><BR/>But that it is something that we can actually aim for is something that I cannot see being offered within the sectarian mindset.contrarian 78https://www.blogger.com/profile/06104559106619389825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-76834623505452809562008-06-23T22:23:00.000-03:002008-06-23T22:23:00.000-03:00Thank you Joseph and Canadian for your comments. ...Thank you Joseph and Canadian for your comments. Neochalcedonian, thank you for the flattering comment, but please be kind to my weakness: pride. I hereby enlist you to serve in my effort to remain humble, so to refrain from such kind comments.<BR/><BR/>Peace in Christ,<BR/>Thos.Tom B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08014927666068877364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-34553139913891170642008-06-23T22:20:00.000-03:002008-06-23T22:20:00.000-03:00Mr. Aguirre,Thanks for commenting. I benefit from...Mr. Aguirre,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for commenting. I benefit from Bryan Cross's recommended reading list. There is more there than I will be able to get through in this life, so I just chip away as best I can. I hvae not been disappointed. Well, once a book he recommended wasn't available on Amazon, so I got something that looked close -- I was disappointed then. But that was my own fault.<BR/><BR/>Peace in Christ,<BR/>Thos.Tom B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08014927666068877364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-79334746115882225152008-06-23T11:54:00.000-03:002008-06-23T11:54:00.000-03:00"Ignatius says that the Eucharist is the flesh, an..."Ignatius says that the Eucharist is the flesh, and the same flesh which was crucified and was raised. If the Protestant critique is valid, it seems unlikely that St. Ignatius of Antioch would not have thought of it within a century of Christ's resurrection."<BR/><BR/>Absolutely flawless logic! I adore this wonderful blog of yours!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-59749633540628145672008-06-23T10:00:00.000-03:002008-06-23T10:00:00.000-03:00During the days of Cromwell and beyond, one method...During the days of Cromwell and beyond, one method of murdering Catholic priests that was employed by the Cromwellian Anglicans was to burn priests at the stake and, in one way or another, discard their ashes into the sea. That way they could completely obliterate the martyr. Leave no relics behind. Of course, that wasn't new, the pagans incinerated the remains of martyrs during the Early Church persecutions not only for the same reasons of the Crowellian murderers, but also in direct defiance to the Christian God.<BR/><BR/>That has nothing to do with your assessment in your post, which I agree with. I thought I'd add a historical element to the veneration of relics and the grace that God permits to come from them. Something that even persecutors of the Church believed in so much that they went out of their way to completely obliterate their victims.Skyrim Geekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809088855172879580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-13904590275417555592008-06-23T03:11:00.000-03:002008-06-23T03:11:00.000-03:00Thos,This goes well with your previous post, in my...Thos,<BR/>This goes well with your previous post, in my estimation. Salvation is not a commodity or a status to be lost or retained as much as it is our union with God in Christ by grace. Paul asked that our whole body, soul, and spirit be preserved blameless, so salvation of the body is not seen in only a future glorified sense--and this does seem to work out synergistically, as well. <BR/><BR/>Christ deified human nature including the body, not just through the resurrection but through the presence of deity. The physical can contain the divine...what mystery! This is also why the eucharist should not be so much trouble for protestants. <BR/>I was listening to a series by the guys from "Our life in Christ" podcast and they quoted someone who said that our goal in life is "to become relics". This treasure really is IN earthen vessels.Canadianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04294619762542082615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-2824989056420428122008-06-22T19:07:00.000-03:002008-06-22T19:07:00.000-03:00Glad you got Jurgen's "FEF" 3 Vol. One of the best...Glad you got Jurgen's "FEF" 3 Vol. One of the best resources on the Catholic fathers, especially the doctrinal and scripture indexes. <BR/><BR/>I wish there were more notations from Jurgens interacting with more of the secondary patristic literature, but on well, the notes he does give us are fascinating.<BR/><BR/>Quasten's <I>Patrology</I> is also important to study the fathers.<BR/>________________<BR/><BR/>R.E Aguirre<BR/> <I>Regulafide.blogspot.com</I>R. E. Aguirre.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03462109808396671690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505754445949711172.post-82060774768214989022008-06-22T18:23:00.000-03:002008-06-22T18:23:00.000-03:00There are relics of St. Paul described in the Acts...There are relics of St. Paul described in the Acts of the Apostles.<BR/><BR/>Acts 19:11-12<BR/><BR/><I>And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, <B>handkerchiefs and aprons</B>, and the diseases departed from them, and the wicked spirits went out of them.</I><BR/><BR/>Handkerchiefs and aprons, inanimate objects, blessed by St. Paul had the power to heal. Even St. Peter's mere shadow had the power to heal.<BR/><BR/>Acts 5:15<BR/><BR/><I>Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that when Peter came, his shadow at the least, might overshadow any of them, and they might be delivered from their infirmities.</I>Skyrim Geekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809088855172879580noreply@blogger.com